Simon Patrick Serial Numbers
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Simon Patrick Luthier Serial Number
So i know the company andbown one of their guitars which was given to me. I love this guitar, best acoystic i have ever, will ever play. I love its slightly beaton look.
Will post photos maybe tomorrow. My point is, does anyone know anything about their older guitars. Mine is a W.C delux which has schaller tuners and an inbuilt preamp. It is about 25-30 years old( not exactly sure but) i guess i just want to know more about it.
I know there hanmade in canada but want to know exaxtly when it was made, etc. Will post its serial and photo in the next few days, if that would help. Having lived in Indonesia for a few years now, a Simon and Patrick is about as good a guitar as you will find (although there is a Taylor shop in Jakarta) but I would encourage you to try a high end guitar when you have the chance. You may re-evaluate your best guitar ever judgement. Simon and Patrick are factory made (not hand made) in Canada and are excellent guitars for the money. In fact, I think pretty much all the Godin brands are great.
IIRC your guitar has a cedar top and laminated mahogany back and sides. Personally, I like spruce tops on steel string guitars but I know there are lots of people that like cedar. (I like cedar on nylon strings) I think they are good guitars for strumming and fingerpicking but find they don't have enough drive for flatpicking and bluegrass (my favourite acoustic guitar genres). From the factory they came with a plastic nut and saddle and replacing those with bone helps the tone a bit and a good luthier can change the break angle over the strings at the saddle which is often a little shallow. The pickup system works but wasn't as good as Takamines from the same era. Enjoy the guitar - it's a goodun. Mine is also a satin finish and the top seems kind of unfinished as it scratches and dents and chips super easy.
On the guitar it clearly states handmade in canada. Which led me to believe it was. And just so you guts know i didnt get this in indonesia. I got it from an older man in australia who i think got in eithet cabada or america. Ill check the serial when i get home to see what year it is. Also on the best guitar ive ever played thing.
I might play a better one in the future, but i doubt it. The best aciustic i could afford to buy would be nothing more than a cort or a bottom line takamine.
And for some reason, i just live the feel of a guitar that has been played for years and worn out.
Simon & Patrick Serial Numbers
The Hammond/Leslie Age Determination List The Hammond/Leslie Age Determination List Last updated Sun Jul 6 17: Version 4.169 Mission Statement To help determine the manufacturing date of Hammond organs and Leslie speakers. Use this if you would like to submit your Hammond Organ for inclusion in these tables. When you hit the 'Submit' button you will see a message advising 'Update Successful'. Your information will be placed in a holding area for review and added to the age list after acceptance. To include a Leslie speaker or Hammond Tone Cabinet see the bottom of this page.
Please include an email address so I can contact you if I have a question. Discussion 'How old is my Hammond organ and Leslie speaker?' Read on and you may learn the answer! Beginning in late 1935 and continuing to mid-1975, the archetypal instrument we think of when hearing the word 'organ' was produced by the thousands. With a production history covering more than forty years, determining the exact manufacturing date of tonewheel Hammonds used to be difficult; new models were not introduced every year and production changes that were made were often subtle. Recently, the production data was found and there is no longer any need for guessing. This information is being compiled, organized and edited into a soon to be released book that details all sorts of production and manufacturing information, including tables showing serial numbers and their date of production.
Some of the entries on the age list show actual known production dates and can be used as markers to guage the quality of other entries around them. Until this work is published, the Age List will continue to function more or less as it has; a quasi-definitive source of this information and a registry of Hammond and Leslie product owners. Thanks to the Electronics Industry Association (EIA) code conveniently placed on them by the manufacturer, many individual components can be dated to the year and week of production. Due to Hammond and Leslie purchasing components in large quantities, using these codes as definitive signposts will not produce an accurate 'born on' date.
However, by examining those components as a group one can determine that the instrument was produced no earlier than the latest date indicated by its component parts. In general, tubes appear to have had the shortest stock life and speakers the longest. Even the above is fraught with some risk, as replacement parts used for repair or modification will occasionally skew the overall picture.
Additionally, some organs have been pieced together in order to get one working unit out of many; this will produce inconsistent and unlikely date code ranges. All available information must be taken as a whole, and, combined with some general tips and observations provided below, a narrow range of probable production years can be arrived at which in many cases will be accurate enough for most people's desires.
One thing to remember in this chronological quest is these instruments were built to be played, not (in most cases) to become museum pieces. Don't get too hung up on searching for temporal coordinates to the exclusion of the unit's real purpose as a musical instrument. Methodology Some of the component parts of Hammonds and Leslies have EIA codes printed on them. What follows is a breakdown of the more common parts and a description of their codes. Some specific examples are cited that can be used to provide assistance in identifying the production date of similar components. Tubes Many tubes have a date code on them.
6550 tubes have the following format: XXXYYWW, where XXX is the EIA manufacturer code, YY is the last two digits of the year and WW is the number of the week in that year. 3227204 is a Tung-Sol tube manufactured during the fourth week of 1972. Tung-Sol 6550 tubes made for other companies (like ) have a four-digit date code only. Tubes with ' silk screened on them typically have a code consisting of two pairs of numbers separated by a dash. The format is YY-WW, where YY is the last two digits of the year and WW is the number of the week in that year. In the example, 73-48 is the 48th week of 1973.
Capacitors Many capacitors have a date code on them, but some do not. Most of the tone generator and capacitors do, as well as pre- and power amplifier multi-section electrolytic capacitors. The code typically takes the form of YYWW, where YY is the last two digits of the production year and WW is the production week.
6150 would be the fiftieth week of 1961. Speakers All of the in Hammond organs, Hammond Tone Cabinets and Leslie cabinets dating from 1946 forward that I have seen have production date codes stamped on them. This may also be true for earlier units. The coding scheme is XXXYWW where XXX is the company EIA code (Jensen = 220, Rola = 285, Heppner = 575), Y is the last digit of the production year, and WW is the production week.
285642 would be a Rola speaker made in the 42 week of 19x6 (you have to figure out which decade using other information). For additional speaker manufacturer codes, see Ted Weber's listing. Motors Later Leslie have a sticker on them indicating their manufacturing date. The formula is XXX-YYWW, where XXX is the manufacturer EIA code (190 indicates General Instrument in the present example), YY is the last two digits of the year of manufacture, and WW is the week of manufacture.
In the example shown, 190-7215 was made in the 15th week of 1972. Earlier Leslie motors have a stamped four digit code. Leslie Cabinets Inside each Leslie produced after 1956, on the lower baffle, is a (sometimes hidden by the bass speaker). Here's how it works: You have to be able to date the Leslie within 10 years, which should be fairly easy.
Just to get started, 21H's are 1951 to 1958, 22H's are 1958 to 1963, 122/142/147/145's are late 1963 and later. Any other single speed model (45/47/51) is prior to late 1963. There are a number of visual cues: anything with a foil CBS ID tag is post 1966, anything with a metal tag is prior to 1966.
The typewritten silver foil tags appeared in the mid to late 70's. The new style Leslie logo appeared in 1970, and cabinets made after then have particle board baffles rather than all hardwood construction and are missing the instruction sheet formerly pasted to the back. The code consists of 4 digits; the first 3 numbers are the Julian date, and the last digit is the year. For example, model 25 serial #1522 has 1619 stamped on the baffle identifying it was made on the 161st day of 1959. Hammond Cabinets and Components There are several external features that can provide clues to an organ's age. Model Feature Manufacturing Year B3/C3 Keyboard cheekblocks Pre-1960 Wooden; 1960 and later.
C and D models 1939 - 1958 A/A100/B/C/RT models vibrato knob vibrato knob 1946 - 1961 1962 and later A/A100/B/C/D/E/RT models Hammond Script Hammond Script 1935 - 1965 1965 - 1969 B/C/RT models Non-ratchet drawbars Continous contact late-1953 and later A100/B3/C3/RT3 1954 - 1960 1961 and later A100/B3/C3/D100/RT3 AO-28 transformer color Up to mid-1962; mid-1962 and later A100/B/C/D/RT models Vibrato line box frame wooden: pre-1956. Black wooden: 1956-1957.: 1958 and later (and all A-100 series as well). A100/B3/C3/RT3 Generator 1965 and later A100/B3/C3/RT3 drawbars drawbars 1934 - 1968 1969 and later A100 Necklace reverb 1959 to 1960. Enumeration Below is a compilation of Hammond organ serial numbers and dates submitted by owners and other interested folks. There are discrepancies here, so be prepared for some imprecision; it should get you within a year or two when combined with the information above. Since I can't independently verify the information provided this seems to be the best we can do. Note: Organs produced after 1968 had a letter prefix code in the serial number: A=1969, B=1970, C=1971, D=1972, E=1973.
Sometime in mid-1973, in the mid-200000's, Hammond dropped the prefix letter. This means half the organs built in '73 and all '74/'75 organs have no letter code. Serial numbers began to take on a surreal quality at this time, with higher serial numbers not necessarily representing newer units.
For example, A-xxxxx = 1969, B-(x)xxxxx = 1970, C-xxxxxx = 1971, D-xxxxxx = 1972, E-xxxxxx = 1973. Organs previously in the Age List falling in the prefix group have been removed since they readily admit their age. Notes: Models produced in other countries had a different serial number system. Confidence Level is an arbitrary rating from 0 to 100. 33 indicates wild guess, paper documentation bill of sale, etc.; 66 indicates matching by using cabinet features list; 100 indicates looking at date codes and cabinet features. Units are located in the United States unless otherwise indicated.
Serial Number Year Confidence Level Owner Contact Info 33 Rick Prevallet 33 100 66 33 33 66 100 100 100 Robert Tanner 66 66 33 Rick Prevallet 100 100 66 100 100 33 33 100 33 66 33 100 100 100 100 100 100 33 100 33 100 33 33 100 Model CV (Manufactured from October 1945 through December 1949). Serial Number Year Confidence Level Owner Contact Info 100 First CV - October 24, 1945. Where is it now? 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 33 66 66 33 Ian McEwen 33 33 Rick Prevallet 33 66 66 33 33 33 Rick Prevallet 66 33 100 100 100 Roger E. Fakes 33 33 Rick Prevallet 100 Earl K Morgan 33 Luis Barreiro (Argentina) 100 66 33 100 33 John Nicholson 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 100 33 33 Rick Prevallet 100 33 100 33 100 100 33 DAVIS 66 100 Maureen Beverlin 100 100 100 33 66 33 33 33 33 100 100 66 66 66 Paul Sloan 100 Baptist Temple Ch 100 100 33 100 100 33 100 100 33 33 100 33 33 33 100 33 100 100 66 100 33 33 33 100 thomas mccage 100 33 100 33 100 33 33 100 33 66 33 100 33 33 Butch Weaver 33 100 100 Rick Prevallet 33 66 100 100 100 100 Rick Prevallet 100 100 100 100 100 Last CV - December 15, 1949.
Where is it now? Model B2 (Manufactured from December 1949 through December 1954). Serial Number Year Confidence Level Owner Contact Info 100 100 100 33 33 100 33 100 33 33 33 66 H.Spies 33 66 100 66 33 33 33 33 66 33 Rick Prevallet 33 100 100 100 66 33 100 100 33 66 33 100 66 66 33 100 Greg Woods 100 Unknown 100 100 100 100 66 100 100 Rick Prevallet 100 33 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 33 66 100 Model B3 (Manufactured from January 1955 through 1975). Serial Number Year Confidence Level Owner Contact Info 66 100 100 100 66 tschette 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 66 100 100 100 66 100 Robert Tanner 100 66 100 33 33 100 100 66 33 100 100 66 66 100 Terje Haugom (NO) 66 33 100 66 100 33 100 66 66 66 66 Bob O.
66 33 100 100 66 100 100 Rick Prevallet 66 33 33 100 100 33 100 66 100 33 33 100 W. Cottrell 100 33 100 100 Jack F. Badon 66 33 100 100 66 100 100 100 100 100 66 100 mike 100 100 100 33 100 100 33 66 Dorian Corrales 100 Robert Sorheim (Norway) 33 33 100 100 66 100 66 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 66 100 33 33 100 100 33 100 Jason H. Serial Number Year Confidence Level Owner Contact Info 4006 1955 100 4084 1955 100 4151 1955 100 4225 1955 100 4232 19 19 1955 100 4425 1955 100 4479 1955 100 4549 19 1956 100 4623 19 1956 100 5014 19 19 1959 100 5236 19 19 1959 100 5863 19 1959 100 6216 1959 100 6254 19 1960 100 6349 19 1960 100 Dr.
Drew 6668 1960 100 6733 1960 100 6737 1960 100 6836 1960 66 Randy Kester 7049 1959 100 7090 1960 100 7154 1960 100 7370 1960 100 Tabernaklet, Bergen (church). 7379 19 19 19 19 1960 100 7855 1961 100 7867 1961 100 8031 1962 100 Rick Prevallet 8319 1963 100 8427 19 1963 100 8875 19 1966 100 9169 1967 100 1 100 Model A100 Series (Manufactured from 1959 through 1965) Note: Model A105 continued to be manufactured until January/February 1975. Note: Around serial number 20000, Hammond assigned a block of serial numbers to the decorator cabinets in the A-100 series (A-101/102/105/122/143 etc.).
This has caused owners to wrongly attribute the age of their instrument when based solely on the serial number, and consequently, many of the serial numbers reflected in the age list for this group are probably in error. If your unit has a serial number in the 20000 to 30000 range you must check date codes to get an accurate reading of its production date.
Serial numbers after 30000 were reserved for A-100 models only. When Hammond used up the decorator block of numbers they were reintegrated into the pool of general A-100 numbers.
